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details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. she has desoeuded she will keep her money safe by putting it in the bank. and this scenario, i am the bank. thank you very much, and we will keep your phumoney safe, becaus i'm the bank. as a bank, it's my responsibility to give julie her money.
ha ha. as the bank, it's my responsibility to give julia back her money when she wants it back. i'm supposed to be keeping it safe, right, so it's here when she needs it. but, in reality, until she needs it,i've got it. look at all of this money i've got, who. right? if i, as the bank, do something so stupid with julia's money that i lose it, right? it's gone. can't find it. here's a pen. now it's over. and i don't have the money to give back to her when she comes back and asks for it? >> where's my money? well, it turns out, as aback, it turns out the taxpayers are actually on the hook to make you whole. to make sure that you get your money back, even though i lost it. so here you go. sorry. what happened in the financial crisis was basically doing this in your money. they're basically taking your money to strip clubs and playing three card monty with the guy in the alley. and when all of those risky transactions failed and they lost all of that money they were playing with, guess who was on the hook? the taxpayers were on the hook.
so after the financial can task after that crash that we still haven't recovered from, the biggest financial disaster since the great depression, after that, one of the things in washington to try and prevent that from ever happening again is they passed some laws saying banks can't do the risky things in the world if they want to. they can play three cord monte in alleys outside strip clubs with their money if they want in the financial catastrophe, it turns out it was credit default swaps that were the risky things
that blew up and put the taxpayers on the hook in 2008, and they reform told the banks they couldn't do that in a way that implicate the taxpayers if things went bad again. it's not a complicated thing. but that reform passed as part of dodd-frank, and that part got killed last night. that's what they killed. one former treasury told the washington post that it's really outrageous. this was the epicenter of the crisis. this is what lehman brothers down and aig down. and now the rules are such that it can happen again, and it will be us, we, the taxpayers, that have to pay for it again. the language to undo this reform, the language to go back to the old way of doing stuff was written by citigroup. written by citigroup. banks were trying to get rid of
the reform since it began, basically. the language that got put into the bill last night was almost exactly word for word citigroup language. one of the things we did to protect ourselves, to insulate taxpayers so we didn't have to pay for what the banks did wrong, finally, that's what congress did, and the banks hate it. of course they do. who wouldn't wanting the u.s. taxpayers, who wouldn't want them to pay. that simple thing, that's the basis of the giant fight that took the whole beltway by surprise. that's why the headliner in the democratic party leading the fight was seen to be elizabeth
warren, and it's sub specific. this is her wheelhouse. this is how she came to washington in the first place, right. she first became known as a public figure because she was tapped by president obama to over see the bailout. that's why she became the democratic household name. it's not an accident that she is the democrat that is scene as throwing the first punches in this fight and it's not an accident that her first press conference on this was with maxine waters, and liberals, right? it's not because they wanted to pound their chest a little bit. it's subject specific. it's not an accident that the prominent former member of congress who put out a statement on this, and calling it outrageous, it is not an accident that they called barney frank, and it's not because barney frank is a beloved liberal, but he used to run the
committee, right? it's subject specific. the other one whose name keeps turning out about working the fight behind the scenes, sherry brown, the senator from ohio. it's because brown is about to be the top ranking democrat on the banking committee in the senate. it's a fight about a specific thing. it's not just liberals blowing off steam. the beltway wants the left and right to be mirror images of each other. what is the lefty version of the t tea party. they want the center to be correct and the eupblgs to be crazy and impractical in just the same way. but it's almost never what is going on, and that's not what is going on here. this moment happened accidentally on the show last night.
we do it from 9:00 to 10:00 eastern, and then we are on again midnight to 1:00 a.m., and we came back midnight eastern time after the house narrowly averted shutting down the government with hours to spare, and in the midnight show we hd a congressman on from capitol hill. as you can see, he is not in a boy band, this is not fashionable stubble, he had a shadow because of the long day, and he was one of the 139 democrats that voted no, and we booked him to explain why he voted no and why so many democrats voted no, and whether it was a legitimate surprise that it passes in the end. i started to talk to him and it was not he was in a loud room, and somebody else was speaking
really loudy really near him when he was doing the live tv interview with me. so that was weird. but then i realized what was going on, what that noise was about, when in the middle of my interview with him from the capitol building, the people talking off camera next to him walked through the background of his shot when i was talking to him. and when they did that, then the talking stopped. so these people kind of skull bged away in the middle of the interview, and look at that, it's michele bachmann, and louie, and these were republicans that also voted no, but obviously for totally different reasons. steve king, michele bachmann, and right through the back of my shot. hey, come back and be on my show. had the democrats not had their revolt yesterday, the big news would have been just how many republicans revoted against john
boehner and their own party. john boehner got 67 nos from his own caucus to avoid a government shut down. we have been headed towards the votes, and the expectation was that he was going to lose 20, 40 votes, and the story of the country was the democrats provided all the drama of the day needed, by refusing to provide any votes to keep the government funded, and nobody had any idea if the democrats with show up to save john boehner's bacon. super dramatic. but the people who revolted inside the democratic party were not, hey, beltway, we're not the democratic equivalent of michele
bachmann, and stevie king, and louie, and they were not the fringe of the party, like the revolters on the right. they were like nancy pelosi, the democratic leader, and congress steve israel, the guy that just ran the house campaign committee. all of them and 130 other democrats. this was not the louie fringe of the party. it was the leadership and most of the democratic party who all said no and said no against the wishes of their own white house, and the democrats that revoted, they didn't win, but they did fight even against the wishes of their own white house, because they disagreed with the white house on this as a substantive matter of policy, and a pauly they matter a lot about, turns out. on the right there's a permanent
insurgency, and they increased an influence in their own party and dragged all of the politics to the right, by fighting constantly just for the sake of fighting, even when they know they can't win, they fight all the time, they fight their own leadership, and they screw up the best laid plans and make a ton of noise and that's how they maintain their influence. that's been the insurgent strategy on the right within the republican party. democrats have not had something like that. they mostly have not had that as a strategy, and all of a sudden, the democratic party almost in a holistic way is starting to make noise. in the senate, they got a two-day extension, so they have until tomorrow night, saturday night, before the government shuts down, and the senate may
have an offer of a further extension, maybe until wednesday if they go that route, and senators are human beings, and they obviously all want to go home and start their holiday break, but it's a little complicated right now. nobody knows what is going to happen. part of the reason it's complicated is because harry reid knows the longer he keeps it in session the longer he can stay in charge. maybe he can get nominations through or legislation, something, and once they gavel this session to a close, he is still leader. that's sort of an expected thing. the other unexpected complication is nobody knows if it's going to be as crazy getting it through the senate as it was through the house. the first time in forever that's because it's the democrats who are will be to be unpredictable, and it's the democrats will be
to mount very inconvenient. today was supposed to be a sleeping day after the lame duck, and now it turns out it's not all that lame. and joining us is senator sanders. thank you for being here and helping us understand what is going on right now. first thing is first. what is happening now as far as we understand it, it seems like we may not be getting a vote on the funding bill tonight? is that how you understand it? >> i may be going to the airport and i may not and may be voting tonight, sunday or monday. that's about what i know. >> do you know if harry reid has the votes to get it through, and is there a filibuster threat that could stop it? >> i don't know that. if i were a betting guy i would assume the votes are there.
>> in terms of what happened in the house, you and senator warren and others have been trying to stop this, but they made a lot of noise and a lot of people very nervous yesterday. what is the status among democrats in the senate? >> rachel, this is a bad bill for a number of reasons. you talked about the outrage of repealing a section, by the way, whose title is prohibition against government bailouts, in other words, they will be able to make risky investments, and they lose, the taxpayers bail them out. that's not the only objectionable aspect of the bill. this bill sl about a trillion-dollar bill, and 60% is going to the military spending, and child care is a total
disaster, and we are spending 60% on the military, a military that can't even account for its budget, and the third objection that is very important, there is language in the bill which reveals 40--year-old federal law protecting workers' pensions. if this bill goes through, millions and millions of workers who have worked for 20 or 30 or 40 years on the job, may find out the pensions they expected were cut by 30, 40 or 50%. so i am going to vote very strongly against this legislation. i think we can do a heck of a lot better in terms of protecting working families. >> not in terms of the overall scope and aims of the bill, but in terms of some of the really specific complaints, things that were added as riders in the bill, is there any hope of
getting that out of it? >> you have to defeat. >> you have to beat the whole bill? >> yeah, the senate has to defeat the bill and re-write the bill and send it back to the house. i think what is working for us, is the more that people learn in terms of what is in the bill they are absolutely disgusted. we are getting calls from vermont, many, many of them. people are sick and tired of seeing the people on wall street whose greed and illegal behavior drove this country into a recession impacting millions of people, and now they are back in power, and they are writing the legislation, literally citigroup is writing the legislation that house republicans are putting into the bill. people do not want to see that. >> senator bernie sanders from vermont, thank you for helping us understand. i appreciate it. >> thank you. lots more to come tonight. stay with us.
if you want to hear what it has been like in the united states senate tonight as they fight over this fight from last night, check this out from elizabeth warren. >> you know, there's a lot of talk lately about how dodd-frank isn't perfect. there's a lot of talk coming from citigroup about how dodd-frank isn't perfect. so let me say this to anyone who is listening at citi. i agree with you. dodd-frank isn't perfect. it should have broken you into pieces. the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen
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on december 1st, our friends at the fox news channel, they knew that this thing was about to be done. >> so you see a couple more days on this? maybe this week? >> i think passed this week, that will be it. >> that was december 1st on the fox news channel. turns out, what they were talking about wasn't it. it wasn't over. our friends at fox were talking about the protests, about police killings of black men. back on december 1st, they were sure that these protests were about to peter out. turns out, fox news channel did not have their finger on the pulse of the protesters. this weekend, the justice for all march is scheduled in washington. al sharpton is part of that and will be there with the families of mike brown from ferguson, and rice, and trayvon martin, the family of trayvon march continue
as well, and there are protests events elsewhere this weekend, including in new york under the banner millions march, day of anger. lots of other events planned saturday and sunday. i know they keep expecting these protests to peter out, but they are not petering out. we will know more when it happens, but the protests have continued solidly over the past few weeks. the ones this weekend look like they are going to be big. we'll be right back. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn!
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and the senate has not gone home. we don't know when they will, and senator sanders just telling us that he may be getting on a plane soon, he may not be. one of the things to do is the long list of obama nominees who still have not been confirmed. one of them is dr. murphy, president obama's nominee for surgeon general. his confirmation has been held up for nearly a year now, specifically by the nra. one of the things that made murphy such a boogie man was this tweet. nra press conference. there we go. disappointing but predictable, blame everything in the world except guns for the newtown shooting. >> that tweet came a week after the newtown, connecticut school shooting.
this sunday, december 14th, marks the two-year anniversary of that shooting. two-year anniversary of that mass killing of first graders. 20 kids and 6 school staffers shot and killed that morning while they were at school. two years ago this weekend. and it would be sort of fitting, should it happen, if this weekend, the weekend of that somber anniversary, if it were also the weekend when they were able to get passed the nra and move on the nomination of murphy to be surgeon general. he got in all of that trouble with the nra for saying that gun violence is violence and it therefore should be seen as a health care issue. but, again, we're hearing tonight that senate democrats are not going home tonight and that they are planning to do to move on at least some nominations. they're still in sex tonight. they'll be in session for possible lid the next few days if they keep doing real work while they are there. watch for the murphy nomination for surgeon general.
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♪ they cut the power. it'll fix itself. power's back on. quick thinking traffic lights and self correcting power grids make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. most of the bills passed in senate never received a vote and they are approved by unanimous consent. it just takes a single senator to stop most legislation. >> this is farewell season in the senate, even as that eminent chamber rushes to pass a spending bill. even as they play this last round of beat the clock. they also made time for farewell
speeches for members who won't be returning after this session. so re3ubly can senator yesterday gave his good-bye remarks about the all mighty power of a single senator to shut down the whole thing. doing that, blocking bills, is how tom coburn earned his nickname that he likes so much, dr. no. >> it just takes a single senator to stop most legislation. >> for the past few weeks, we've been watching a bill that is named after clay hunt who serves tours in iraq and afghanistan, and before he came back home and dedicated his life to helping others, especially veterans, he was diagnosed with ptsd, and in march 2007 he took his own life. the clay hunt suicide prevention bill is basically an amalgamation of a bunch of
different provisions that would boost care and boost suicide iii prevention measures for veterans within the v.a. obviously, nothing will be perfect. but the veterans think this is the best shot they've got to try to make things better. the bill has broad support from veterans groups and has bipartisan support and also equal support from both sides of the aisle. clay hunt's parents tried to get this bill passed before the lame duck session ends. in the house, they've succeeded. on tuesday the clay hunt bill passed by a voice vote. all in favor, say aye. passed in the house. in the senate, the bill has very real bipartisan support. broad support throughout the chamber, but it has not passed in the senate, and nobody knows if it will and that's because in the senate it only takes one senator to block a bill and this particular bill is being blocked on purpose by one senator, the
guy who likes you to call him dr. no. senator tom coburn is in his final couple of days. he's retiring after two terms in office. he's decided that blocking the clay hunt suicide prevention bill for veterans is going to be the last thing he does that anybody ever knows about. when it became clear this week that the bill named after their son would come down to this one senator, they made a direct appeal to that one senator holding it up. watch this. this is incredible. >> my name is richard silky, and this is my wife. we are conservative republicans from the state of texas, and what i would say to you, thank you for your vigilance over our budget, but this is an exception, there are things in the bill that may be duplikat
sreufplt e, and they might have saved lives if they had been there. so if i had $22 million in the bank right now, i would write that check. i don't have it and you don't have it, but what you do have is you have power. all you have to do is not say no. all you have to do is allow this bill to unanimously pass the senate today or tomorrow, hopefully by the end of this session. would you please do that? would you please do that for susan and for me, for clay, and for every other vet who has passed on or is still with us, they are valuable, valuable
precious children of god and it's on your back and this is personal, please, please don't say no. thank you. i hope we have the opportunity to meet some day soon. god bless you. >> joining us for the interview are richard and susan sulky, they are the parents of clay hunt for whom this bill is named. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i know it has been a very long day for you. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you for having us. >> do you believe the bill is going to pass? you guys more than anybody got it through the house. do you think it will pass the senate and become law? >> we don't know. we're not sure. >> in terms of senator coburns opposition? >> from what we understand, his objection is the costs, and the
costs is $22 million in the scope of the federal budget, and it's just so small. and there is no way you can put a price on the lives of these young men and women who are serving in our military, so it's baffling the thinking going behind this. >> in our humble opinion he is focused on the wrong numbers. >> sorry to interrupt you. let me ask you to elaborate on that and you expressed in that video to the senator, you said i don't know if this may be slightly deplickative and you know it may feel in gaps. >> the bill itself fills gaps
that our son clay actually struggled with. one of those gaps is it allowed the va to hire additional psychiatrists and psychologist and additional caregivers. there's a real -- clay was in houston, texas, which has one of the largest veteran's community in the nation, and there are three psychiatrists serving that. my understanding of psychiatric therapy is that it's talk therapy, and if people need drugs to get stabilized, you give them drugs, but the drugs are not the permanent solution, and so three psychiatrists in that large population, that is going to cause a lot of problems and delays in those men and women who need that care getting their care. another thing it does is bring together a number of support
partners who would offer additional therapeutic types of things, programs outside the va, and things like different activities, hunting, fishing, all kinds of different programs in conjunction with what the va does will help these veterans heal and become a more holistic. it allows also a very important thing, and right now veterans have to present whatever their maladeis within five years, and often symptoms don't present themselves within that time, and it allows a one-year period of time from veterans suffering from this to come back in and
re-qualify under the veteran benefits. it's in no way shape or form complete. it's not the total answer, but we believe it's a step in the right direction for the veterans. >> richard and susan selke, taking your personal anger here -- oh, i am getting choked up. thank you for being with us and thanks for your work. >> thank you. we'll be right back.
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there's a lot of talk lately about how dodd frank isn't perfect. there's a lot of talk from citigroup about how dodd-frank isn't perfect. let me say this to anybody that is listening at citi. i agree with you, dodd-frank isn't perfect. it should have broken you into pieces. >> senator elizabeth warren speaking on the senate floor earlier tonight. so there has been a little drama in congress. last night at midnight the government was set to shut down. the government was funded through last night at 11:59 p.m., and if congress didn't pass something to keep the
government funded thereafter, we were due to have yet another government shut down. oh, hi, ted cruz. and there were so many defectors in the house, and suddenly as a surprise, there were a ton of democratic defections as well. john boehner was counting on democrats to get all the votes he was going to lose from his own side to get that passed. for a long time yesterday it looked like he would not have those votes. the house was telling democrats they should vote for it, and one of the people making calls to house democrats telling them to vote for it yesterday was jamie diamond, the head of jpmorgan test. when he calls and tells you to vote on something, is that a signal you should vote on it or you should definitely vote against it? in the end, it did pass last night and we avoided a shutdown when the house passed that bill
less than three hours before midnight, and it still has to pass the senate. there has been short term extenders to give the senate a little more time so they can get their act together and keep the lights on, but we have been watching them in session tonight, not knowing if it was going to pass or if they were going to give themselves a short-term measure to give themselves more time to stay in session so they could piece it together as best they could. well, we just learned that they have at least made the decision for tonight, and we're told the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell just jumped into an elevator and said, see you monday, which implies they may not be leaving for good but just for the night. joining us now is the senate producer. what is happening tonight? can we tell? >> sounds like what they are
going to do, postpone and pass a short term cr that will go until december 17th, midnight december 17th, which allows them to have a couple more days to go through the procedural hurdles, so they will come back and work on the terrorism, insurance bill that they have been working, tax extenders, and the real delay on this because democrats want to focus on getting through a bunch of the nominations they have been working on before they give up the majority effectively once they leave for the year. >> am i to understand -- i don't want to read too much into this, but if i was guessing as to what is going on here, if they wanted to pass the funding bill they probably could get past tonight but harry reid decided not to make that happen because he would like to do other stuff, too? >> that's exactly what is happening. they could pass it, the senate appropriations chairman, as she
was leaving the floor, she said they have the votes to pass it. it's not a question as if it's going to pass, it's when it's going to pass. having the bill on the docket, making sure that senators don't leave town for good for the year, and they have the nominations they want to knock out before the year ends and they want to make sure senators are here for those next week. >> seems like there was a little miscalculation on the other side of the capital. they thought it was going to be easier to pass that funding bill than it was? is there a little worry about giving senators the whole weekend to sit and stew about this, they might inspire a brave filibuster on either side of the aisle to give people more thought about what is in the bill? >> i don't think so. you don't feel the same amount of opposition from democrats on this side of the capitol.
maxine waters did the same on the house side. but on the senate side, you have reid supporting it and a bunch of leadership members pushing for it to go. and the white house was giving a big push on the house side, making calls, and president obama was calling and joe biden was calling, and they feel they have the votes to pass it. >> thank you for letting us know. appreciate it. thank you. the bottom line, the senate seems to be leaving tonight and will be back on monday and that means there will be more senate action between monday and wednesday, which is the new deadline for a government shutdown. next up, something involving a little cocktail shaker. stay wus. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ]
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you know what that means. splat. it's time to dump this week's news on one of our faithful viewers. who is playing tonight? >> tonight we have james brown. he hails from sidney, australia. he is a student studying psychology, and he is an american politics junky for some reason. >> james, nice to meet you. thank you for doing this. i was wondering whether you were an american in australia, but you are aussie? >> pure australian. >> what kind of time difference? >> it's midday on saturday. >> so you only had breakfast so far? >> yeah, that's it. >> this is super weird. friday night dump night. it's cool to have you here.
you get three questions, if you get two or more right, what will he win? >> this new and improved fancy cocktail shaker. >> is it at all new and improved? >> yes. >> how? >> it's slimmer and the logo is slightly smaller. >> we got you a diet shaker. if you win, julia, do we have a specific clutter to send him? >> we have these fancy blue racket balls. >> yes! >> i thought it was going to be that. >> congratulations, it's the balls. so awkward. i will have to tell you the balls are used, so sorry. >> that's okay. >> and then we have to bring in the voice, the guy that
determines the rightness and wrongness of things. say hello, steve. >> hello, james. >> hi, how are you doing? >> steve, james, james, steve. are you ready are to the first question. these are not chronologically correct. on last night's show we reported house speaker boehner had a difficult time getting the government funding bill past it's first procedural vote, he had to beg one of the republicans, and it's a republican who is leafing after this year and will not be back when the new congress comes back in january. so was the vote switcher steve stockman of texas, kerry of michigans, michele bachmann of minnesota, or eric cantor of virginia? >> i believe, unless i am wrong, it's kerry of michigans, the
reindeer person. >> steve, did james get that right? >> yes, indeed. it was the reindeer herder himself. and martin of indiana wishes he could switch his vote today. but in either case, james is one for one. >> we thought last night when kerry was the switcher, and i love these guys. you have to get two right to win the prize. we have to go to question two. this is from monday's show, and on monday's show we reported about the ceremony that marked the end of operation enduring freedom in afghanistan. the war in afghanistan is not over but it has a new name now. what is the name of the new operation to replace operation enduring freedom? this is the one that is going to keep more than 10,000 u.s. soldiers for years to come. is the name operation rez
ahraout support, or operation enduring alliance, or operation steady hand, or operation firm buttress. >> not d. this one slipped my mind, but looking through the answers, i would have to say it would be "b." >> operation enduring alliance is your guess? >> yes. >> steve, how did he do? >> let's check the segment from the show. >> basically they are changing the name from operation enduring freedom, to the new one, operation resolute support. i am afraid james got this one wrong. >> if you think that operation resolute support is anything, you probably think it's a sports bra. it doesn't have that war feeling. anyway, don't worry, still another chance, and i will tell
you, this is kind of a hard one, but i have faith in you. it was from wednesday's show, and on wednesday's show we learned about the arrest of a chemical company executive after a huge chemical leak by his company poisoned drinking water for a big portion of west virginia. right after the leak happened, while nine counties in west virginia had no tap water because of what his company had done, that executive swigged water himself while he talked to reporters. what brand of bottled water did he drink in that famous presser. was it, a, dasani, b, fiji, c, aquafina, or d? >> d probably would be appropriate, but it was not b because it was not a fiji bottle, i know that much.
i recognize the bottle of a, is it a? >> steve, do you have the answer. >> it was c, aquafina. rachel you were drinking from a similar bottle on wednesday. >> yeah, we dug one up and found one so it would match the tape on that one. the good news about this one, james, is that we are still going to be spending an insane amount of money on postage to send junk to you in australia. am i correct he does not get the cocktail shaker? don't worry. you do get the racket balls that we use to spend john boehner balls in the mail. if any of you out there or down under think you have what it takes to survive the friday night news dump. if you get two right, you get
mini cocktail shakers, smaller than before, and if you get one right, you can get junk from our desks. democrats don't like wall street bailouts. republicans don't like wall street bailouts. the american people are disgusted by wall street bailouts. >> budget battle. fighting over key previsions in a measure meant to kept the government from shutting down. a cat troughic scene as tornadoes and mudslides hit california. look at that. and then holding those involved accountable against suspected terrorists. what are the